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Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 22:31:00 -
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Yeah, remember, EVE is all about risk vs. reward .... what a crock of bullsh**.
Miners:
Risk: ~150 - 200MM ships (easily days of mining or pve to buy) that cannot be protected, period (forget d-scan, local, tanking, aligning, logi's, cloaked defenders, or whatever other ridiculousness the gankers love to spout as possible countermeasures - no Hulk will withstand a half-assed alpha strike by the next gang of bored pvp-tards).
Gankers:
Risk: Zero ... they PLAN with 100% certainty to lose their (practically free by comparison) ships --> that's NOT risk in any way shape or form --> they are guaranteed a kill and salvage worth many times more than their ships .... it's more of a guaranteed income than mining.
Guaranteed success (as gankers have) is NOT good game design, period.
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Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:14:00 -
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I actually think CCP's encouragement and love of Hisec Ganking, is nothing but a poor excuse for them to come up with ways to encourage ACTUAL PvP mechanics that people would actually enjoy ...
Ganking is NOT PvP ... it's more like P vs. nothing.
It's the EVE equivalent of burning ants with a magnifying glass .... |
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 15:49:00 -
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Ayla Hanaya wrote:Yeah, there is pretty much no point to CONCORD warning miners of impending gankers, because during Burn Jita, CCP actually popped up a login banner WARNING people NOT TO GO TO JITA, yet a lot of dumb people still went, and died, and then **** up local with tears after they got popped. Any effort that CCP wastes warning you sheep of impending doom would be better spent, I don't know, actually improving the game?
If you can't be arsed to keep an eye on local, and an eye on **** around you, you don't deserve to fly a ship, or to keep your pod. Highsec is not safe, the undock button is your PVP flag if you didn't know that. Don't want it? Don't play.
Themepark handholdy MMO is that way ---->
Yeah, you're right ... it wouldn't help those who don't pay attention to such things ... I'm thinking it would be fun tho for those who DO watch D-Scan and try to tank their Hulks or defend their mining ops (but let's be honest, there really isn't any way to protect Hulks from suicide gank alpha strikes .... D-Scan aint gonna help you in Hisec ... and unless the gankers are stupid, they won't tip you off by advertising their presence.
I think it would add a bit of fun ... not really change the balance of anything.
Currently you can't defend against Hisec Hulk gankers ... so it doesn't even really add conflict or PvP to the game ... it's P vs. Nothing ... you might as well dock up b/c there's no way to engage them ... think it would add some fun to the game if there were at least some way to force some sort of engagement.
This is currently one area where Hisec is more dangerous than Nullsec .... in Null, you know exactly whether there are any Reds in system. In Hisec, you can't tell where the gankers are. |
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:12:00 -
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SerratedX wrote:Takara Mora wrote:
This is currently one area where Hisec is more dangerous than Nullsec .... in Null, you know exactly whether there are any Reds in system. In Hisec, you can't tell where the gankers are.
Maybe this is CCP telling you to let go of the training wheels and join a 0.0 alliance so you can mine in peace?
It's got nothing to do with "peace" .... and everything to do with most ppl simply not wanting to become a faceless blobber with zero control of your own destiny. |
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:13:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Janet Hope wrote:
How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system.
F10 --> change system colours --> Ships destroyed in the last hour. (bigger/redder is worse). It's not perfect, nor is it SPECIFIC to hulks ... but seeing a lot of ships blown away in a hisec system (i.e. more than you'd expect for an engagement in a war or something), and it's probably a system where ganking is occurring. Also, we already have watchlists ... and can create intel channels ... but I suppose that involves working with other people (which we obviously cannot have in a MMO).
Again .... good gankers are NOT going to tip you off like this. |
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